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Ray,

I just received an Omega with the thumbhole stock and your 25 ACP adapter. I have used 410 primers in the past in a Remington MZ. I have had great success with your QT and Dead Centers for Whitetail and on paper but in the last two years I have been using Barnes TSX in my high power so I thought I would work up some loads with the Barnes 285 Spit-Fire. New gun, new ignition and new bullet. I chronographed 110 grains of 777 over 1900 fps with a good group at 100, 1” high so today I went to 200. I am using as you suggested the CCI small rifle primer and I get 100% containment. What a great product. 

The results at 200 yards are a 2 ¾ five shot group including the first shot out of a clean barrel. Remove the fouler shot and the next four went into 2”. The group fell 12 ½” low of point of aim. Consistency is the name of the game and your ignition kit gave me velocity within 10 ft per second with a fouled barrel according to my CED Chrono. I am throwing charges and tapping the measure until it will not take any more powder them wiping it off. I am using a wet patch (your way) followed by a dry patch. I waited for the barrel to become cold between shots. I hunt with three other guys and we all use the Dead Centers and all have found less than 1” groups at 100 with minimal work. With the DC’s we use 90 grains of 777. 

Thanks for great products,
TC

Thought I would send feedback to this Incredible product. This is truly the tightest group I have ever seen from a muzzleloader. Shot 1,2 practically same hole (these 2 shots were from mounting the scope, gun right out of the box which is a .489 group (no bore sighting). The next three shots are truly impressive as well. .713 WOW!! My father was a firearms instructor for our local police dept. and is one of the best shooters I know of, and he as well was very impressed with the accuracy. I am still amazed at the accuracy of the Savage, coupled with the Precision Products. 

Conditions: Cloudy, 11 mph crosswind, 71 deg. 40/50 260 Gr. Dead center (using the Rat seating tool) 50 cal. Magnum sub-base 44 gr. XMP 5744 65 yds. 

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Ray, I'm back from Alaska and I had a great trip (see attached photos). I shot the 67 1/4" wide bull moose using the 340 gr Dead Center bullets in my T/C Omega. My first shot was a slight quarter away shot through both lungs at 115 yards. The bullet didn't hit any ribs in or out and the bullet was stopped by the hide on the far side. Although the moose would have died from the massive bleeding out the one side and internally, continued to reload and fire two additional shots until the bull walked out of sight. The second shot went into the lungs and stopped at the hip and the third shot went through the neck below the spine. The bull only traveled about 20 yards before collapsing. I recovered both bullets and they were flattened out. I was in shock from the size of that animal when I walked up to my first bull moose! I thought "What an I going to do now!", I was hunting by myself for 10 days due to the bad weather preventing my good friend Marlin from leaving his plane in the bush and returning to check on me. Luck prevailed! I was able to skin and bone the bull and the bears never found the kill. I had cold weather to keep the meat chilled and while I was packing the meat out to a different landing strip, I met the Weber family that was hunting there and they offered to help me pack out the last load of meat and antlers. The weather finally got nice the day before I was to fly back to Pennsylvania and I made my flight and so did my equipment, meat and antlers. What a great Alaskan experience! 

Take care, Phil Smith

I just wanted to drop you a line and let you know that I am now a big fan of Dead Center Bullets. 

I went on a Elk Hunt in New Mexico this October and took with me one of the new Savage 10ML-II Muzzle Loaders capable of shooting smokeless powder along with a blister pack of your .44 X .50 260 grain Dead Center Muzzleloading Bullets. With a charge of 44 grains of XMP it pushed the Dead Center out the tube at 2,256 f.p.s with 1.5 inch groups at 100 yards. To make a long story short I shot a big 5X5 Bull Elk at 146 meters (according to my range finder) hitting him broadside in the left shoulder. The Bull ran, or rather walked, 15 yards and fell over dead. Upon inspection of the Bull the bullet went through the left shoulder breaking bone, entered and destroyed the lungs, hit the right shoulder, again breaking bone, and lodged just under the hide on the right side. All of this and it still maintained right at 60% of its weight. What more could you ask! You can believe that I am taking this combination with me on next years hunt. I’m spreading the word on your bullets wherever I can. 

Thanks, Todd Norris

I received this email on 15 Aug 04 from Frank Langston of Allen TX: The group on the lower left is the Dead Center 240 gr .40/ 50 Cal. behind 37.2 gr of N110.@ 100yds .667 inches. 89 Degrees Sunny 5 mph head wind. 1st shot 2147 fps; 2nd shot 2107 fps; 3rd shot 2066 fps The group above is a 5 shot group of Dead Center 260gr .40/50 cal behind 38 gr of N110. 1st shot 2215 fps; second shot 2201 fps; 3rd shot 2191 fps; 4th shot 2202 fps; 5th shot 2211 fps. The flyer caused this group to be 1 inch. It came on the first shot out of a clean barrel. Shot 2-5 measure .5 inch! This was almost 4 one hole hits. Only 50 shots have been fired through this new Savage. Imagine what it will do when the barrel is broken in!!!!!   Click graphic to enlarge.

Frank Langston 
Allen Texas

I received this email on 14 Aug 04 from Frank Langston of Allen TX:  So far my best 3 shot group came with the Dead Center .40 240 gr. 50 cal using 44 gr of AA 5744.  1st shot 1905 fps; 2nd shot 1848 fps; 3rd shot 1840 fps for a 1.58 inch group @ 100yds. I am using a stock Simmons 3x9x40 scope. When the barrel gets broke in the groups will shrink. Cleaning with a saliva patch after 5 rounds will get velocity and grouping more consistent.  Click graphic to enlarge.

Frank

Hello Ray;

I finally got to shoot the bullets, 220 grain only Dead Centers.  I loaded 100 grains of Pyrodex (2 pellets) and shot through my Chrony.  Muzzle velocity varied 1850 to 1900 fps.  I got 2" three shot groups at 100 yards, (actually 110 yards).  I don't know why the clubs range was set up like that.  I cleaned the bore between each shot.  I shot one 3 shot group at 200 yards, got a 4" spread.  Can't do a lot of testing with just 10 bullets.  At 200 yards, a 4" group is far and away the best I have ever done with a smoke pole.  There was another shooter testing with a Knight Rifle.  I don't know the bullet type or powder charge he was loading, but he was shooting 5" groups at 110yds.  My Omega seems to perform best with 80 to 85 grains powder charge.  I used the two Pyrodex pellets to eliminate errors on my part.  I sure wish I could afford your 22 Hornet breech plug.  This was not an all out test for accuracy,  It was to determine bullet quality, and it is superb.

Bob Spann

Ray 

The quality of the construction of the product was visually superb, but several things (opening a new business, ect.) has not let me actually test these bullets in my rifle (a Thompson Center Encore).

What really impresses me is the personal interest you took in advising me on how best to work on my accuracy potential.

Ray,

Let me put it this way to portray my satisfaction with my order. I can't load, shoot and clean my rifle for next round as fast as I received the shipment from you. The bullets are very well built and the sabots fit according to caliber of bullet also. The dead center bullets I order needed to be bumped up in weight along with the QT bullets. Now on the other hand the extreme 330 gr. shoot like one inch groups with 150 gr. of 777 ffg powder. I've shot those up, already, in one setting to see what powder weight shoots best. I think something like a seventy five or one hundred pack would be nice, but pricey I bet. Thank you for your service and your follow up on the order. 

Keith